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Virginia Tobaccos and English/UK Made Pipes

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    In this thread about dedicating pipes, Cortezattic mentioned something that I think would make a good discussion of it's own. Here is what he said:

    Cortezattic Said: My only suggestion would be to take Paul Szabady's advice and smoke Virginia flake tobaccos in English/UK made pipes. According to Szabady the two evolved together -- and I think he's right about the pairing.

    OK, just because I like thought provoking discussions (and sometimes stirring the pot, lol) I would like to comment on this.

    I have heard this statement about dedicating VA tobaccos to English made pipes before and I understand where the theory might come. But after some thought (I was actually just talking to Kevin about this a couple of days ago), I disagree with it and here is why.

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    In my opinion, I would say that the wood (briar) would have the most impact on the flavor/taste of the tobacco other than the actual tobacco itself. I know that different shapes of pipe bowls can have an affect, but I still think the majority of it comes from the briar itself.

    Each block of briar is an individual and has its own "identity" if you will. Whether the actual pipe was carved in England, Italy, Denmark, etc. would have no bearing on it. It would be more of where the block grew and was harvested more so than what country it ended up in and where it was carved.

    I am interested in what everyone else thinks. Let the discussion begin!

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    I suspect you are right Bob.

    As to the wood, you also have curing methods, curing and aging time, the age of the wood at harvest time, as well as the shape, size, etc.

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    To be completely fair to Szabady, I'll quote directly from the The Pipe Tobacco Aging, Storage and Cellaring FAQ, which, regrettably, is currently offline.

    Also worth mentioning is the persnicketiness of Virginias regarding the pipes it is smoked in. Since this tobacco evolved in England in symbiosis with English pipes, it is of great benefit to try it in UK/ Irish pipes. Most long-term virginia smokers will attest to the almost magical synergy of virginia tobaccos to certain brands of pipe.
    Paul Szabady, 1999-11-14

    I think this has something to do with the geometry of the classic standard shapes, and not so much the wood. Elsewhere Szabady advises sipping on Va flakes, which may be easier to do while sustaining an ember in some bowl types. Also, as GL Pease has mentioned, some pipes can act like a flamethrower with some tobaccos, but tame-down others.

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    Yawn , small bowls for flake and ropes . For some the learning curve is immense .

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    My guess is that this gentleman has far superior olfactory talents to my own.

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    http://www.pfeifenbox.de/articles/flake.htm . Here is one more opinion . Thoughts to ponder over a nice Va or Vaper .

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    Everything goes better in an english pipe.

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    I cannot imagine an ODA Dunhill or one of my Willmer's filled with FVF, IF or UF.

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    OTOH, with Va. flakes, my Peterson bent bulldog outperforms any of my other pipes.
    Thanks for the link, Igloo.

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    Your welcome Cortez .

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    How wonderful it would be if I could echo the words of Paul Szabady without a smirk.But for now I am in a happy place.If I ever can arrive in that space because of experience and knowledge,I will have grown into a much more mature and self confident pipe smoker.

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