Peterson Hallmarks Help Please - Convention Marks

[Ahi Ka]

Kia ora,

I was wondering if anybody knows how to further date this Peterson. Given the .925 mark I understand that 2003 can be the earliest date range.

Instead of a date letter it appears to have European convention marks. This is quite hard to see in the photo however.

I have attached the pipenotes article which delves into this and has a picture of a pipe with the same marks. Go down to the first section.

Chur

David

Sherlock Holmes Series – Peterson Pipe Notes

petersonpipenotes.org

 

[AroEnglish]

Wow, if Mark is stumped then I’m not sure who to turn to. I’m going to tag @ssjones, @RustiePyles CPG, and @ashdigger in case any of them might be able to help.

 

[warren]

Were I you and, I'm not, I'd query Peterson. They are usually quite prompt with their replies.

 

[Ahi Ka]

Were I you and, I'm not, I'd query Peterson. They are usually quite prompt with their replies.

I never like to let the truth get in the way of a wild goose hunt. But yes, good point Waza. Email sent

 

[RustiePyles CPG]

Got a picture of the whole pipe? what shape is it? An army mount sandblast Sherlock shouldn't be terribly difficult to date as they don't make many army mount Sherlocks.

 

[Humblepipe]

Here are a few photos of the pipe...

 

[AroEnglish]

I looked through all the posts tagged "Sherlock Holmes" on PPN and found nothing.

 

[TheIronMonkey]

Hope this helps.

Peterson .925 2019 Sterling mark:



Peterson Irish Sterling and Gold mounts from 1890 through 2026:

 

[RustiePyles CPG]

1990, Sherlock Holmes "The Original"

277. Sherlock Holmes Discovers the System – 1990 (Revised)

Revised April 21, 2022. As all Thinking Men (most Pete Geeks) know, the first Sherlock Holmes shape from the Late Republic era appeared in 1987, marking the centenary of Conan Doyle’s Study in Scar…

petersonpipenotes.org

 

[kcghost]

I don't see the problem. Must be a Pete thing.

 

[AroEnglish]

1990, Sherlock Holmes "The Original"

277. Sherlock Holmes Discovers the System – 1990 (Revised)

Revised April 21, 2022. As all Thinking Men (most Pete Geeks) know, the first Sherlock Holmes shape from the Late Republic era appeared in 1987, marking the centenary of Conan Doyle’s Study in Scar…

petersonpipenotes.org

So you think it’s just the original system but with a replacement stem?

 

[RustiePyles CPG]

So you think it’s just the original system but with a replacement stem?

"The Original" Came with an AB stem and I'm guessing it was available with a fishtail. But the only way to tell is look and see if it was drilled for a chimney. If its not, I know a guy... I suspect the also made them with 9mm filter stems as well.

 

[AroEnglish]

"The Original" Came with an AB stem and I'm guessing it was available with a fishtail. But the only way to tell is look and see if it was drilled for a chimney. If its not, I know a guy... I suspect the also made them with 9mm filter stems as well.

Ah yup, that makes sense. The fishtail threw me off as I always imagine systems with a p-lip but you’re right that that’s not always the case.

 

[Ahi Ka]

Got a picture of the whole pipe? what shape is it? An army mount sandblast Sherlock shouldn't be terribly difficult to date as they don't make many army mount Sherlocks.

Classic Ahi Ka. Can’t see the forest for the trees.

 

[Ahi Ka]

What I’m confused about now is of this pipe is from 1990, why is the 2nd mark the .925 stamp which wasn’t introduced until 2003?

 

[AroEnglish]

What I’m confused about now is of this pipe is from 1990, why is the 2nd mark the .925 stamp which wasn’t introduced until 2003?

Not sure but the one introduced in 2003 has the oval around it (see @TheIronMonkey’s post) which yours doesn't.

 

[Ahi Ka]

Not sure but the one introduced in 2003 has the oval around it (see @TheIronMonkey’s post) which yours doesn't.

Fair point, and for what it’s worth, the SH linked in the pipenotes article doesn’t have an oval cartouche around the second mark (.925) either.

 

[RustiePyles CPG]

What I’m confused about now is of this pipe is from 1990, why is the 2nd mark the .925 stamp which wasn’t introduced until 2003?

The NOS first run from 90 shown in the blog post has the exact same silver hallmarks that yours does, so I don't think the claim that that stamp wasn't used before 2003 is quite accurate.

 

[Ahi Ka]

The NOS first run from 90 shown in the blog post has the exact same silver hallmarks that yours does, so I don't think the claim that that stamp wasn't used before 2003 is quite accurate.

And so it does!

Chur bro.

I wonder if its use corresponds with the convention mark too.

 

[Humblepipe]

Here's a photo of the tenon.