Sharp Rise in Young People Smoking Pipes, Cigars & Shisha

[smudgersmissingleg]

Risen five fold in a decade. I wonder how many are pipe smokers? Probably, more Shisha and cigars. Interesting though.

Cancer warning after big rise in people smoking pipes, shisha and cigars in UK

Greatest increase in non-cigarette tobacco in past decade was among young adults, researchers say

www.theguardian.com

 

[jaingorenard]

Still a small amount of the population, and yet they still won't be content until they've legislated against it. I suppose we all knew it wouldn't be long before countries tried to ban tobacco completely. What surprises me is that it's happened in the UK first!

 

[jaingorenard]

And I love the fact they say it 'can' be more dangerous than cigs, and use the example of shisha which you inhale anyway. Also, how many of the new smokers only smoke one cigar or bowl a week, or even one a month?

 

[PaulTheScandinavian]

'quotation from the text'' Cigars, Shisha, cigarillos and pipes are non-cigarette forms of smoking and can be more harmful as cigarettes''

 

[proteus]

Only in California. Everything is known to cause cancer in California. Even the drugs doctors use to cure cancer have that warning on them. Just that one state though. You're safe everywhere else. But the FDA hasn't evaluated any of those statements so it's meaningless.

The leading cause of death is birth.

 

[fireground_piper]

Some folks love a good cause to get behind. I wish they'd put such efforts towards the Fentanyl problem instead.

 

[kcghost]

I sure these bastards with have my tombstone read "Another Smoking Related Death".

 

[jpmcwjr]

Here's a nice illustration of how not to blow out a pipe....[from the article in the op.]

 

[ParkitoATL]

Some folks love a good cause to get behind. I wish they'd put such efforts towards the Fentanyl problem instead.

Tobacco might kill you some day. Fentanyl will get it done posthaste. But let's worry about tobacco, shall we?

 

[cosmicfolklore]

Tobacco might kill you some day. Fentanyl will get it done posthaste. But let's worry about tobacco, shall we?

I'm pretty sure the DEA and all law enforcement is on the fentanyl issue. I'm not sure how fentanyl is related to tobacco. These are two totally unrelated issues.

 

[Lumbridge]

"Cancer warning..."

There are microplastics, industrial chemicals, and carcinogens everywhere - in our water, food, air, and personal products - but let's ignore all of that and worry about tobacco. It has become impossible to completely avoid harmful substances.

We are all screwed. Sooner or later, something will get each one of us. I'm gonna go enjoy my pipe.

 

[jpmcwjr]

I'm hoping only old age will get me, but those are long odds.

 

[fireground_piper]

I'm pretty sure the DEA and all law enforcement is on the fentanyl issue. I'm not sure how fentanyl is related to tobacco. These are two totally unrelated issues.

There are finite financial resources, material resources, and Human Resources to address issues in society. Additionally, there is only so much mental capacity people can take to focus on topics to address both on the administrative side and the public side. The more you widen your focus in a given genre (this case an umbrella of drugs), the less actual good you'll be able to do.

Also, depending on your state, they aren't really "on" the issue. In my state for example, it is illegal to prosecute drug use if the police are there for a medical call. You can literally be surrounded by drugs and paraphernalia and police can't do anything beyond handing a flyer to get help. They don't even take the drugs!

You can OD on fentanyl, get your nasal spray to get you out of it, decline transport to the hospital after your onsite medical examination and everyone just goes home. You can then do it all over again as soon as you want. To me, it seems to make more sense to allocate more of your finite resources to a more urgent issue than tobacco in the larger scheme of drug control.

 

[didimauw]

I'm hoping only old age will get me, but those are long odds.

Both my parents died at 57. 3 years apart. I'm 34. Don't got much longer to go ....

 

[sardonicus87]

Has been posted in threads related to the topic at hand, but worth repeating, the article is crap on the face of it because the data is bad due to a change in collection methodology. Just more ignoring basic ethics principles (transparency) to further stigmatize and fear-monger about the new enemy of the week. A boogyman to fight for people with too much time on their hands and a burning desire to be sanctimonious and self-righteous.

Just like recent bans on flavored and now menthol cigarettes because "but da childrens!", even though the up coming generations think cigarettes are gross and aren't taking up smoking (they're taking up vaping).

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar | Christopher Snowdon | The Critic Magazine

Three researchers from the SPECTRUM Consortium — which, hilariously, stands for Shaping Public hEalth poliCies To Reduce ineqUalities and harM — have published a study which is blatantly aimed at…

thecritic.co.uk

 

[cosmicfolklore]

There are finite financial resources, material resources, and Human Resources to address issues in society. Additionally, there is only so much mental capacity people can take to focus on topics to address both on the administrative side and the public side. The more you widen your focus in a given genre (this case an umbrella of drugs), the less actual good you'll be able to do.

Also, depending on your state, they aren't really "on" the issue. In my state for example, it is illegal to prosecute drug use if the police are there for a medical call. You can literally be surrounded by drugs and paraphernalia and police can't do anything beyond handing a flyer to get help. They don't even take the drugs!

You can OD on fentanyl, get your nasal spray to get you out of it, decline transport to the hospital after your onsite medical examination and everyone just goes home. You can then do it all over again as soon as you want. To me, it seems to make more sense to allocate more of your finite resources to a more urgent issue than tobacco in the larger scheme of drug control.

As a debate coach, this is called a strawman. You might as well say, "why focus on tobacco issues when there are people dying in car wrecks?" the two issues are totally unrelated, and bringing up the finite issues just obscure your argument. These are handled by two separate agencies. And, tobacco is already regulated with a budget in tact.

But, i am not arguing for laws against tobacco, just making the point that bringing in a totally unrelated issue doesn't help the pro tobacco issues at all. But, as I read through this thread, most people don't have a grasp on how to win this argument.

Anything outside of "my body, I will do as I want with it" is weak.

 

[Simmerdown☕️]

I sure these bastards with have my tombstone read "Another Smoking Related Death".

Yeah, but you’re pushing 80 so…️

 

[fireground_piper]

As a debate coach, this is called a strawman. You might as well say, "why focus on tobacco issues when there are people dying in car wrecks?" the two issues are totally unrelated, and bringing up the finite issues just obscure your argument. These are handled by two separate agencies. And, tobacco is already regulated with a budget in tact.

But, i am not arguing for laws against tobacco, just making the point that bringing in a totally unrelated issue doesn't help the pro tobacco issues at all. But, as I read through this thread, most people don't have a grasp on how to win this argument.

Anything outside of "my body, I will do as I want with it" is weak.

An argument against car wrecks would be unrelated. However, Tobacco/nicotine products and Fentanyl are both drugs and fall under appropriate drug enforcement agency and legislation so therefor share related resourced holistically as drugs.

 

[Simmerdown☕️]

Maybe we need to get these hard hitters on board for the Pipe Tobacco lobby…️

“Merchants of Death”

 

[cosmicfolklore]

An argument against car wrecks would be unrelated. However, Tobacco/nicotine products and Fentanyl are both drugs and fall under appropriate drug enforcement agency and legislation so therefor share related resourced holistically as drugs.

Tobacco falls under the Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. It still is a strawman, even if you compared the issues to marijuana, cocaine, or Tylenol.