Trouble identifying a 1954? Barling

[iquester]

Help! I have an early Barling Spigot Billiard that has confusing Hallmarks. It has a T which were date it 1954 on the London Hallmark, but it has a Birmingham stamp. It has what looks to be a diamond surround on the T. Any help would be greatly appreciated to accurately date this old Barling. eBay listing. Mike Gardner

 

[bluegrassbrian]

I'd guess a 1943 Birmingham.

 

[sablebrush52]

The earliest this could date to, based on the description of the hallmarks, plus the nomenclature stamped in the shank, is 1968, and I’m skeptical of that, because the town stamp is Birmingham instead of London. Possibly late ‘90’s.
I would need to see clear images of the hallmarks, not the smears on the listing. I never, ever, accept another’s description of a hallmark at face value.

 

[jguss]

The earliest this could date to, based on the description of the hallmarks, plus the nomenclature stamped in the shank, is 1968, and I’m skeptical of that, because the town stamp is Birmingham instead of London. Possibly late ‘90’s.
I would need to see clear images of the hallmarks, not the smears on the listing. I never, ever, accept another’s description of a hallmark at face value.

Agree with all of this, and as Jesse implies the 5101 shape number is post transition nomenclature. It means extra large billiard curvet with a short bite length saddle bit.

 

[bluegrassbrian]

I'd guess a 1943 Birmingham.

For the silver, not the stummel.

 

[sablebrush52]

For the silver, not the stummel.

I would still question that for one reason, the Birmingham assay stamp - Barling used the London assay stamp. Also, the description of the cartouche doesn’t fit.

 

[bluegrassbrian]

I would still question that for one reason, the Birmingham assay stamp - Barling used the London assay stamp. Also, the description of the cartouche doesn’t fit.

Yeah certainly that silver wasn't original to that pipe - that happens.

BUT the Birmingham anchor attached to the Barling EB WB is super fishy.

From the eBay description, "Thanks to several Barling Collectors for help clarifying the provenance. Lovely 50 year old Barling."

I'd love to hear these collectors opinions.

 

[sablebrush52]

Yeah certainly that silver wasn't original to that pipe - that happens.

BUT the Birmingham anchor attached to the Barling EB WB is super fishy.

From the eBay description, "Thanks to several Barling Collectors for help clarifying the provenance. Lovely 50 year old Barling."

I'd love to hear these collectors opinions.

The collectors were Daryl, his brother Daryl, and his other brother Daryl.

 

[georged]

The collectors were Daryl, his brother Daryl, and his other brother Daryl.

 

[OzPiper]

From the eBay description, "Thanks to several Barling Collectors for help clarifying the provenance. Lovely 50 year old Barling."

I'd love to hear these collectors opinions.

We have THE preeminent Barling expert in @sablebrush52 here on the Forums

 

[iquester]

Thanks for all your information and expertise. I’ll try to post some clear pictures when I can take them. I have updated the description on eBay based on the information you have shared here. Thanks again.