What is Castello’s Great Line?

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heissa

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Hello everyone,

I posted this in another category and realized it’s probably the wrong place.
I have a question for Castello collectors. I want to buy Castello shape 55. There are two options in front of me, one is an Aristocratica that looks very very nice and the other is a “Collection” KKK. They are both more or less the same size but the “Collection” has the “Great Line” and the Aristocratica has a dot. What is the great line? And should I not buy the Aristocratica because it has a dot not a great line? It is more expensive than the “Collection” version. Any knowledge/help with this would be much appreciated.

Thank you.
 

heissa

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Here are images of the two:
 

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AroEnglish

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I think pipes get labeled "Great Line" when they're particularly large. The funny thing about Castello is that their normal pipes don't have size grades besides "Great Line" although I've seen some websites (Corti) mark some as "Mini." I was looking at two shape 33 pipes that looked almost identical down to the finish except one was 4.5" and one was 5.25".
 

heissa

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I think pipes get labeled "Great Line" when they're particularly large. The funny thing about Castello is that their normal pipes don't have size grades besides "Great Line" although I've seen some websites (Corti) mark some as "Mini." I was looking at two shape 33 pipes that looked almost identical down to the finish except one was 4.5" and one was 5.25".
Interesting because they are almost identical in dimensions. So the great line does not reflect the quality of the actual pipe?
 

heissa

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I may have been confused. I thought the great line is that white inlay on the stem but looking at some websites I see the actual words “Great Line” engraved. So that other pipe may not be a Great Line, it just has that white line on the stem. I have zero understanding of all those Castello details so I might be wrong here too.
 

AroEnglish

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I may have been confused. I thought the great line is that white inlay on the stem but looking at some websites I see the actual words “Great Line” engraved. So that other pipe may not be a Great Line, it just has that white line on the stem. I have zero understanding of all those Castello details so I might be wrong here too.
Oh! Yeah the markings on the stem don't dictate the line it's from. The white bar is the most common stem adornment but the circle and I think even a black circle are used at times. I remember hearing an explanation before but I can't recall it now.

Yeah if Great Line is not specified and the pipe doesn't seem to be larger than others then it's just a "normal" Castello.
 
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heissa

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Oh! Yeah the markings on the stem don't dictate the line it's from. The white bar is the most common stem adornment but the circle and I think even a black circle are used at times. I remember hearing an explanation before but I can't recall it now.

Yeah if Great Line is not specified and the pipe doesn't seem to be larger than others then it's just a "normal" Castello.
Oh yea I got it all mixed up. Thanks for clarifying! I pulled the trigger on the Aristocratica. Excited.
 

heissa

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daveinlax

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I think of Great Lines two ways. One, the most common is a bent Dublin shape usually with a round shank and an oval bowl and two, much less common is an extra stamp with a higher price an a larger or unique take on a standard shape. I know they are sold at a premium price. My buddy Richard Esserman thinks the GL stamp showed up in the late 70’s.
 

heissa

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I think of Great Lines two ways. One, the most common is a bent Dublin shape usually with a round shank and an oval bowl and two, much less common is an extra stamp with a higher price an a larger or unique take on a standard shape. I know they are sold at a premium price. My buddy Richard Esserman thinks the GL stamp showed up in the late 70’s.
Thanks for the info Dave. I found that the Castello’s have a lot of things to learn about and not all the info is easy to find online. Like the “K” grades, read in places it’s the wood grade and others it’s the size. The great line was one I didn’t understand too. As well as the different names like Fammiata, “Collection”, “Castello” grade, etc.. The internet needs a comprehensive video about all those things. Saw one from Briar Blues, very nice video but only talks about the K grades.
 

daveinlax

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Thanks for the info Dave. I found that the Castello’s have a lot of things to learn about and not all the info is easy to find online. Like the “K” grades, read in places it’s the wood grade and others it’s the size. The great line was one I didn’t understand too. As well as the different names like Fammiata, “Collection”, “Castello” grade, etc.. The internet needs a comprehensive video about all those things. Saw one from Briar Blues, very nice video but only talks about the K grades.
Castello nomenclature is confusing at best. The only constant is inconsistency. I don't get to excited about what's stamped, I either like the pipe or I don't. As it happens I don't usually like GL's. Here is a snippet from a piece by Bob Hamlin that I have archived on paper and on my computer. RIP Bob


Special Castello Series Pipes:

The term "Greatline" is reserved for special Castello pipes,
either freestyle or standard shaped. The Greatline stamp was once
used for only all smooth Collection and above models, but
currently is used on all finishes. If a piece is a standard
shaped model and it has a natural rough top rim (as an example)
or it is extra, extra large it could very well have the Greatline
stamp added to its nomenclature and to its retail selling price.

Most all of the non-standard freestyle pieces, especially those
with good size, have the Greatline stamp added whether they are
carved, sandblasted, smooth Trademarks or "castellos". The very
special pieces are labeled Collection-Greatline and are usually
very good straight grained freestyle pieces.

The term "Fiammata" (flame in Italian) is reserved for the highest
graded straight grains. Fiammatas can be standard shaped pieces,
although they are usually freestyle models and commonly large to
extra large pipes, with or without natural rough top rims.

Fiammatas come in two "basic" models: Collection - Fiammata
(almost always standard shapes) and Collection - Greatline -
Fiammata (usually freestyle pieces). A Collection - Greatline -
Fiammata is the highest graded Castello series, the most expensive
series and by far the most rare. These are the ultimate
collector's graded pieces. Fiammatas are only available in all
smooth models and are usually light colored, although some are two
tone stained.

It should also be noted that any piece that is graded a
"Greatline", or a Fiammata or any combination of these markings
are sub-graded at the factory by price! The Castello price list
(Italian) lists all of these models at their "starting at" or
"starting from" prices. The actual cost/retail can be 2, 3 or 4
times this "starting" price with no additional nomenclature added
to differentiate between a piece that sells for $1,000.00 and one
that sells for $3,000.00. Starting in 1989 Castello added the K
stamp to these higher graded series of Greatlines or Fiammatas.
1K, 2K or 3K added to a collector grade piece (G/L or Fiammata)
changes the starting from point (for price) but does not limit the
selling price to any degree.

American logo'd Greatlines, Fiammatas and Freestyles are similar
to Italian pieces although the prices asked for these are usually
very high. I believe that the European "super graded" Castello
pipe offer a better value and quality in terms of what you will
receive for the price asked. The very highest graded Castello
Greatlines and Fiammatas are seldom seen with American logos.

As of mid-1989 Castello has started to "K" grade Collection -
Fiammata and Greatline models (generally only smooth pieces, but
with any combination of the high grade markings). The base
Fiammata or Greatline grade is 1K with up to 3K's possible. Each K
grade marks a "starting point" or minimum price, but, as explained
in the paragraphs preceding, this does not guarantee much because
all super grades only "start at" their base grade price.
 

heissa

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Apr 21, 2024
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31
Castello nomenclature is confusing at best. The only constant is inconsistency. I don't get to excited about what's stamped, I either like the pipe or I don't. As it happens I don't usually like GL's. Here is a snippet from a piece by Bob Hamlin that I have archived on paper and on my computer. RIP Bob


Special Castello Series Pipes:

The term "Greatline" is reserved for special Castello pipes,
either freestyle or standard shaped. The Greatline stamp was once
used for only all smooth Collection and above models, but
currently is used on all finishes. If a piece is a standard
shaped model and it has a natural rough top rim (as an example)
or it is extra, extra large it could very well have the Greatline
stamp added to its nomenclature and to its retail selling price.


Most all of the non-standard freestyle pieces, especially those
with good size, have the Greatline stamp added whether they are
carved, sandblasted, smooth Trademarks or "castellos". The very
special pieces are labeled Collection-Greatline and are usually
very good straight grained freestyle pieces.


The term "Fiammata" (flame in Italian) is reserved for the highest
graded straight grains. Fiammatas can be standard shaped pieces,
although they are usually freestyle models and commonly large to
extra large pipes, with or without natural rough top rims.


Fiammatas come in two "basic" models: Collection - Fiammata
(almost always standard shapes) and Collection - Greatline -
Fiammata (usually freestyle pieces). A Collection - Greatline -
Fiammata is the highest graded Castello series, the most expensive
series and by far the most rare. These are the ultimate
collector's graded pieces. Fiammatas are only available in all
smooth models and are usually light colored, although some are two
tone stained.


It should also be noted that any piece that is graded a
"Greatline", or a Fiammata or any combination of these markings
are sub-graded at the factory by price! The Castello price list
(Italian) lists all of these models at their "starting at" or
"starting from" prices. The actual cost/retail can be 2, 3 or 4
times this "starting" price with no additional nomenclature added
to differentiate between a piece that sells for $1,000.00 and one
that sells for $3,000.00. Starting in 1989 Castello added the K
stamp to these higher graded series of Greatlines or Fiammatas.
1K, 2K or 3K added to a collector grade piece (G/L or Fiammata)
changes the starting from point (for price) but does not limit the
selling price to any degree.


American logo'd Greatlines, Fiammatas and Freestyles are similar
to Italian pieces although the prices asked for these are usually
very high. I believe that the European "super graded" Castello
pipe offer a better value and quality in terms of what you will
receive for the price asked. The very highest graded Castello
Greatlines and Fiammatas are seldom seen with American logos.


As of mid-1989 Castello has started to "K" grade Collection -
Fiammata and Greatline models (generally only smooth pieces, but
with any combination of the high grade markings). The base
Fiammata or Greatline grade is 1K with up to 3K's possible. Each K
grade marks a "starting point" or minimum price, but, as explained
in the paragraphs preceding, this does not guarantee much because
all super grades only "start at" their base grade price.
Thank you very much Dave! That is a ton of valuable information and answers a lot of my questions. Thanks for taking the time to put that together.
Do you have any information about that inlaid line or dot in the stem? Is there any significance to that or just an aesthetic choice?