So I bought an older 309 on ebay. Who wants to make me a stem????
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Not my Peterson, but this has one of the most beautiful grain presentations I've seen. I really, really pondered getting it just to hold it in hand and study it.
MINT! Peterson's KINSALE LARGE CLASSIC XL26 TALL BENT BULLDOG IRISH Estate Pipe | eBay
The original stem shines like glass. PETERSON'S over. Markings : On the left of the shank is stamped. On the right of the shank is stamped shape number. STEM : VULCANITE. This one is sure to be an eminent example of how well-preserved estate pipes smoke better than new ones.
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I was looking at that one and almost went after it, but I had some other pipe buying obligations so I let it go!Not my Peterson, but this has one of the most beautiful grain presentations I've seen. I really, really pondered getting it just to hold it in hand and study it.
MINT! Peterson's KINSALE LARGE CLASSIC XL26 TALL BENT BULLDOG IRISH Estate Pipe | eBay
The original stem shines like glass. PETERSON'S over. Markings : On the left of the shank is stamped. On the right of the shank is stamped shape number. STEM : VULCANITE. This one is sure to be an eminent example of how well-preserved estate pipes smoke better than new ones.www.ebay.com
When I saw that it was only 'Mint', and not 'VERY MINT', I lost interest.Not my Peterson, but this has one of the most beautiful grain presentations I've seen. I really, really pondered getting it just to hold it in hand and study it.
MINT! Peterson's KINSALE LARGE CLASSIC XL26 TALL BENT BULLDOG IRISH Estate Pipe | eBay
The original stem shines like glass. PETERSON'S over. Markings : On the left of the shank is stamped. On the right of the shank is stamped shape number. STEM : VULCANITE. This one is sure to be an eminent example of how well-preserved estate pipes smoke better than new ones.www.ebay.com
My first pre-republic, thanks to @jaingorenard. You rock Joe!
Cleaned up enough for now, may get a deeper/shinier approach later.
Eire-era “Made in England” 363
Cleaned up enough for now, may get a deeper/shinier approach later.
Eire-era “Made in England” 363
Nice - that's a very early one. I have a 363 'Made in Ireland' that's a touch newer, probably late 1930's, as it has a Shamrock beneath the faux-hallmarks and my hound's neck is shorter
. Yours must be early 1930's? You re-bent your stem, right?
All I know is what I’ve seen about the circle “Made in England” being Erie/Ireland era, but the still being stamped as a System 3 putting it Eire era. Any input regarding that would be appreciated.Nice - that's a very early one. I have a 363 'Made in Ireland' that's a touch newer, probably late 1930's, as it has a Shamrock beneath the faux-hallmarks and my hound's neck is shorter
You re-bent your stem, right?
The stem was at that bend angle, but had a wonky twist to it. I just cleaned stem, sanded and hand-polished the oxidation, then took the twist out and kept the same bend. I noticed it doesn’t match catalog, but figured a previous owner put it where he liked it (and I’ll probably keep it that way-it’ll be a smoker, not a collector’s piece during my tenure as its curator). The darkening of the sides and the wear leads me to believe it was a working man’s pipe, which is great because that’s what it is now!
Sorry for crappy pics, best I could get last night.
'Made in England' just means it was made in England before they shut down ~1962. Mine is also a '3' quality. What puts the earliest date on yours is the long-neck hound, unless the band was grabbed from a box of older stock. If your stem is original I would expect it to have a conical built-in tenon extension, as mine does. Actually, that makes mine a little older than late 1930's - maybe mid-30's?
So has anyone ever had a the wrong year hallmark on their POY?
There was some recent talk about 2021 POY so I thought Id share.
There was some recent talk about 2021 POY so I thought Id share.
I’ve just come across many sources citing the England COM stamp of circular design to correlate in most cases to the Eire timeframe with some going into the Ireland days (PPN, pipedia, Pascia…).
Then PPN cites that after around ‘40 the “3” as a grade went to “system standard”.
I’m thinking ‘38-‘40ish from that.
I haven’t learned anything yet of the differing hound marks, I’m barely hanging onto the grass outside the rabbit hole I’ve fallen into
There are certainly contradictions to all the 'rules' we see on the internet. The 'Made in Ireland' stamp has been used ever since it was created, yet because firm date ranges are listed all over the internet, people date their pipes based solely on such information. I have a couple with Eire-era date hallmarks and even some from the 1970's. I have seen exceptions to the 'England in circle' rule as well. This is why I mentioned the long-neck hound and the conical tenon extension. These clues all have to be considered together.I’ve just come across many sources citing the England COM stamp of circular design to correlate in most cases to the Eire timeframe with some going into the Ireland days (PPN, pipedia, Pascia…).
Then PPN cites that after around ‘40 the “3” as a grade went to “system standard”.
I’m thinking ‘38-‘40ish from that.
I haven’t learned anything yet of the differing hound marks, I’m barely hanging onto the grass outside the rabbit hole I’ve fallen into
Sure. They made silver bands for that pipe that have the 2020 date hallmark. I have other silver bands that pre-date model introductions by a year;e.g-SH Baskerville.
Yeah its a not a big deal, its just funny to see a pipe with Pipe of the Year 2021 stamped on the briar with a 2020 hallmark. I reached out to Peterson to have a the 2021 cap put on the pipe, but I thought this is unique so I dont plan to have it corrected.
'Unique' means that it's the only one. You sound like an ebay seller
. Just messing with you - I might be the only person on the planet who still remembers what that word means.For a first year model, I think having a silver band that is one year previous, might increase the value. My Baskerville has a 1988 hallmark. But...the book could be wrong about the 1989 introduction.
Looks like a 605 to me!The 606 seemed to be more prevalent. I 'think' I have a 'Natural' 'Irish Free State' 605. I'll have to locate the pipe, but here are a couple of pics. I have it marked in my spreadsheet as a restored 605, but only have these 'before' pics, and the '5' might be a '6'.
Here are my two favorite 313's.
pre-1963 Larrigan 'Special' (bottom pipe)
1930's System '3'
The 'Special'-designated pipes that I've seen (I have three) all have phenomenal and interesting grain. I have another that's all paisley. Irwin's book assumption is that they were special runs done by Paddy Larrigan. I give creedence to a lot of these 'assumptions' due to the interviews with Larrigan, where some of these questions certainly came up.
pre-1963 Larrigan 'Special' (bottom pipe)
1930's System '3'
The 'Special'-designated pipes that I've seen (I have three) all have phenomenal and interesting grain. I have another that's all paisley. Irwin's book assumption is that they were special runs done by Paddy Larrigan. I give creedence to a lot of these 'assumptions' due to the interviews with Larrigan, where some of these questions certainly came up.
Oh my goodness that bottom 313 is justHere are my two favorite 313's.
pre-1963 Larrigan 'Special' (bottom pipe)
1930's System '3'
The 'Special'-designated pipes that I've seen (I have three) all have phenomenal and interesting grain. I have another that's all paisley. Irwin's book assumption is that they were special runs done by Paddy Larrigan. I give creedence to a lot of these 'assumptions' due to the interviews with Larrigan, where some of these questions certainly came up.
Also, which of you guys snagged these? Come on, fess up. Looking at you, @gervais for that Irish Seconds... Maybe @Brew&Briar with that 11s natural/supreme?
